Joined: 26 Jan 2004
Location: Vancouver, WA USA
|Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 4:04 pm Post subject: "JAMES EDWARD ELDER III" in Houston Texas - Cres
A new member registration was posted by
"JAMES EDWARD ELDER III", from Houston, Texas.
When I searched Google.com, I found his family has also registered
an interesting ELDER HERALDRY graphic,
with a Seahorse - very different!
Here's the Afro-American Crest, posted by "James Edward Elder III," for his father.
Y-DNA = E-M2. (African west coast). No other ELDER matching.
Origin probably from Africa > Virginia > Louisiana, of PETER ELDER slaves.
SEE: AMERICAN HERALDRY (graphic)
http://americanheraldry.org/pages/index.php?n=Armorial.ElderJ (not working)
Blazon of Arms
Gules a Chevron between three Lymphads sails furled oars in action Or flagged Sable on a Chief Sable supported by a Fillet wavy four Escallops Or all within a Bordure Gold.
Blazon of Crest
Upon a Helm issuant from a Torse Or, Gules and Sable a Seahorse rampant Sable finned Gules gorged with an Eastern Crown of eight tall points five visible and holding a Trident palewise all Or.
Blazon of Mantling: Gules and Sable doubled Or.
Motto: Never Forgotten
Registration: U.S. Heraldic Registry No. 20071212C, 2007.
SEE also: AMATEUR HERALDS - for JAMES EDWARD ELDER SR. (with graphic)
Blazon of arms
* Arms: Gules a Chevron between three Lymphads sails furled oars in action Or flagged Sable on a Chief Sable supported by a Fillet wavy four Escallops Or.
* Crest: Issuant from a Torse Or Gules and Sable a Seahorse rampant Sable finned Or charged on the shoulder with a Mullet and holding a Baton palewise all Or
* Mantling: Gules and Sable doubled Or
* Motto: "Never Forgotten" (positioned above the crest)
* Armiger location: Texas, United States of America
* Herald: John Jones
* Artist: Barrie Burr
* Date registered/assumed: Arms assumed 15 September 2007
* Copyright: James Elder
Note: This armiger's youngest son (James Edward Elder III) uses his father's arms differenced by a bordure or, which can be seen on the Membership Roll. An older brother (Graylen Edward Elder) who is James Edward Elder Sr's heraldic heir uses his father's arms differenced by a label gules of three points.
See: US HERALDIC Registry - description
(still works okay)
"James Edward Elder III"
Registration number 20071212C
"This certifies that the heraldic arms of James Edward Elder III
borne by his father James Edward Elder Sr. are registered and described by
the blazon below
Arms: Gules a Chevron between three Lymphads sails furled oars in action Or flagged Sable on a Chief Sable supported by a Fillet wavy four Escallops Or and for difference as a second son all within a bordure Gold.
Crest: Issuant from a Torse Or Gules and Sable a Seahorse rampant Sable finned Gules gorged with an Eastern Crown of eight points five visible and holding a Trident palewise all Or.
Mantling: Gules and Sable doubled Or.
Motto: Never Forgotten
Personal Badge: Within a Circlet Gules edged and inscribed with the Motto in letters Or the Crest as in the Arms.
Family Badge: Within a Belt Gules edged and buckled Or the tip charged with a Cross of Calvary and inscribed with the Motto in letters Or issuant from a Torse Or Gules and Sable a Seahorse rampant Sable finned Or charged on the shoulder with a Mullet and holding a Baton palewise all Gold.
Ancestors who bore these arms
Father: James Edward Elder Sr. (b. 1924) Galveston, TX, USA
Registered by: James Edward Elder III
Categories: Personal, Ancestral, US, E
Heraldry Society of Scotland - Memberlist for JAMES EDWARD ELDER III. (not working)
and PHP entry same: (not working)
"In Heraldry, a seahorse is depicted as a creature with the foreparts of a horse and the hindparts of a fish. See, for example, the right supporter of the Isle of Wight Arms, the supporters on either side of the crest of the city of Newcastle upon Tyne, or the coincidental arms of the University of Newcastle, Australia.
Horse on left and seahorse on right - Isle of Wight Coat of Arms
(Still working --6/15/2017)
The seahorse is prominent in the logo of Waterford Crystal
and the logotype of illustrator W. W. Denslow.
Sea horse - Power of the water
Black (Sable) -Constancy or grief
Red (Gules): - Warrior or martyr; Military strength and magnanimity
Lymphad -- Ship -Ancient sea voyages
Wavy Line - Sea or water
Label - Indicates first-born.
More "Label" meanings:
Differences or Marks of Cadency are used in heraldry to distinguish the various branches or cadets of one family. In order of age, the following apply:
1st son - Label
"The label was a decorative piece of fabric, usually silk.
It was a popular trimming for dress and decor during the Middle Ages.
In heraldry, it is represented by a narrow band across the top of the shield, edged by another band from which three short bars hang down.
Lately the bars have been drawn more like dovetails, like triangles inserted point first into the lower band. In English arms a label was a mark of difference indicating that the bearer was the eldest son and heir.
Some labels on coats of arms can be traced to this origin."
JAMES EDWARD ELDER III now has a DNA kit.
Y-DNA kit#134261. (no matching ELDER names).
More about ELDER Crests with dolphin:
Good documents for "PETER ELDER" families with slaves (see especially their Wills) are posted online by Robert ELDER of Annanburg, VA
ncludes notes and links beginning with ELDER immigrant (said to be from Scotland):
"Peter Elder settled in North Farnham Parish in Old Rappahannock County,
in the Northern Neck area of Virginia.
The locality is now in Richmond County, Virginia.
He first appeared as witness to a power of attorney in 1664."
His many descendants Include:
"David Elder. (Rev. War soldier) — Birth 7 JAN 1760 Brunswick, VA — Death 4 AUG 1853 [Watkinsville] GA
found in WorldConnect (public access) posted by Melissa Speed
More ELDER crests:
Nancy Elder Petersen
Vancouver, WA USA
Host, ELDER DNA project