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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2011 3:52 pm    Post subject: James Elder Reply with quote

I'm a descendant of James Elder born 1815 Westmoreland Co Pa. Married to Eliza J Martin of same area they had 6 sons John, Hugh ,Alfred O, A.Alonzo. James Jr. and Frank. Frank was born in Oh. then they settled in Wythe Township Ill. (Elderville) and Hamilton Illinois where most are buried. Who are James's parents ? can't quit figure it out.
Thanks Steve Elder
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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2011 7:55 pm    Post subject: James ELDER of Westmoreland Co PA Reply with quote

Hi Steve,
I have more notes for that James ELDER, but not certain
where he belongs in our DNA groups.
I'll look for more of those PA files.

It would be great if you could help us with the DNA project.
Most of the Pennsylvania ELDER lines are separated easily by
using the first choice of Y-DNA- 12 markers for $99, using
a mouth-swab test kit from FamilyTreeDNA in Houston.

Orders can be placed online from our ELDER DNA webpage
at
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Elder

Click JOIN REQUEST, Click PURCHASE a test, Choose the first entry $99.

Let me know if you have trouble, or would like to request a free kit
from our ELDER DNA funds.
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http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Elder
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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2011 8:25 pm    Post subject: James ELDER of Westmoreland Co PA Reply with quote

Hi Steve,
Have you seen these pages scanned for ELDER of Hancock Co IL
from Donna Logan's "ELDER Family Newsletter?"
Vol. 1 #1 page 2:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nancyelder/news/ElderNews1102.jpg

and Vol. #1 page 7:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nancyelder/news/ElderNews1107.jpg

And:
This story also scanned from the ELDER Family Newsletter fits with the entries we have found for relatives of "PAXTANG PA" ELDER DNA group.

Vol. 3 #4 pages 8-12 -
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nancyelder/news/ElderNews3408.jpg
and
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nancyelder/news/ElderNews3409.jpg

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nancyelder/news/ElderNews3410.jpg

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nancyelder/news/ElderNews3411.jpg

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nancyelder/news/ElderNews3412.jpg

I have posted more about this ELDER family from Ballymoney County Antrim, Northern Ireland
at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nancyelder/ed/BallymoneyData.htm
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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2011 9:13 pm    Post subject: Eliza J. Martin (born in Beaver Co PA)? Reply with quote

Hi Steve,
Have you been able to connect the family of Eliza Jane Martin
to Beaver Co PA, where relatives of "PAXTANG PA" ELDER group settled?
see:
WorldConnect by Gloria (Askey) Kerns
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=askeyologist1&id=I09800
ID: I09800
Name: James ELDER
Sex: M

Marriage 1 Eliza Jane MARTIN b: 2 FEB 1821 in Beaver County, PA
Children
1. John ELDER
2. Hugh ELDER
3. Alonzo ELDER
4. James ELDER
5. Frank ELDER
6. Alfred O. ELDER b: 1846

Another form of the files for Hancock Co IL
at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nancyelder/ed/HancockCoIL.htm

Matthew ELDER of Beaver Co PA
http://www.pa-roots.org/data/read.php?104,574305

Worldconnect (Problem on list - "PETER ELDER of VIRGINIA family in Utah - different DNA - has Walter Wallace Elder - father born in Gibson Co TN)
by Vern Taylor
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=ldshistorical&id=I220147
ID: I220147
Name: Ella Mary EAKIN
Given Name: Ella Mary
Surname: Eakin
Sex: F
Change Date: 12 Oct 2005
Note:
"Ella Mary, and Zerlina after their parents' death, were taken by their aunt, Eliza Jane Elder,
to Eldersville, Hancock County, Illinois. Their aunt had a house full of boys but no girls.
They had a good home and remained there until they were of age.
"The girls then went to Foster County, North Dakota, and took up land claims and stayed there five years."
Pg. 9 from History of Some Aikin-Eakin Families.

Birth: 15 JAN 1856 in New Galilee, Beaver, Pennsylvania
Death: MAR 1905
Event: Homesteaded 5 years , Foster, North Dakota

Father: William EAKIN b: 14 JUL 1819 in Achor, Columbiana, Ohio
Mother: Maria MARTIN b: 1826

Marriage 1 William CLAUSE
• Married: 20 DEC 1888 in Ft. Worth, Tarrant, Texas
Children
1 William CLAUSE b: 8 FEB 1890 in Laredo, Webb, Texas
***
Ancestry has full text of book "The History of Some Aikin-Eakin Families"
page 9:
http://search.ancestry.com/browse/bookview.aspx?dbid=13148&iid=dvm_dez_GenMono002068-00005-1&rc=1288,1477,1510,1530&pid=6&ssrc=&fn=&ln=Elder&st=g

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Name: James Elder
Home in 1880: Wythe, Hancock, Illinois
Age: 68
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812
Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Relation to Head of Household: Self (Head)
Spouse's Name: Eliza J. Elder
Father's birthplace: Pennsylvania
Mother's birthplace: Pennsylvania
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Farmer
Race: White
Gender: Male
Household Members:
Name Age
James Elder 68
Eliza J. Elder 59
Frank Elder 26
Ellamary Eakin 24
Zerlina S. Eakin 22
Jennie Elder 9
Lurilla Elder 7
Andrew Mc Night 30
Source Citation: Year: 1880;
Census Place: Wythe, Hancock, Illinois;
Roll: 211; Family History Film: 1254211; Page: 377A;
Enumeration District: 86; Image: 0755.
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results:
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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2011 9:24 pm    Post subject: Eliza Jane Martin b. 1821 Beaver Co PA Reply with quote

Hi Steve,
Can you view these Ancestry Family Trees?
Found:
Ancestry Family Tree by
JohnRNesbitt, Kansas City USA
at
http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/749885/person/148999871?ssrc=
Eliza Jane Martin
Birth 2 Feb 1821 in Beaver City, Beaver, Pennsylvania
Death 6 Nov 1879 in Illinois, United States
spouse: James ELDER ...
***
Ancestry - Elder Family Tree
by "deldercm" - problem with this James -
not a son of Joseph Elder (1770-1858) - from Franklin Co PA
http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/20323174/person/931000638?ssrc=


****
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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2011 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have James Elder born on march 15 1815 Westmoreland Co. Pa. Died Aug 8 1894 he was buried in the family crypt in Hamilton Ill. Married on May 11 1839 in Beaver Co. Pa. Eliza j Martin her father was James Martin , Grandfather was Hugh Martin Lived in Plumcreek Twp in 1830 census . I was told the family's were friends and thats how they met. So I,m trying to link James to Elders living in and around Pluncreek Twp in Westmoreland Co.. I was also told James Elder was a Captain in the Civil War and was a Surgeon. Of James's sons I'm related to Alfred Oscar Elder.. I hope the DNA test will help ?
Thanks for the links , I've read most of them.
Thanks for your help... Steve Elder
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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2011 11:12 pm    Post subject: James Elder in Westmoreland Co PA Reply with quote

Hi Steve,
Thanks for the update on your James Elder in Westmoreland Co PA.
We know of both "PAXTANG PA" DNA (I=Isles,Viking) and "FRANKLIN CO PA" DNA (R1b) groups for ELDER names in Westmoreland Co PA.
Because those DNA descendants are so different, we should have a big
clue to which group your family belongs.

I have more research notes and links for both those groups.
PAXTANG ELDER family has more written in the History of Westmoreland Co PA.
Some of them arrived from PAXTANG after the Rev. War:
Here's a link
at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nancyelder/ElderHistory.htm

RE: "FRANKLIN CO PA" group
My 3rd G-Grandfather, Joseph ELDER, came from "FRANKLIN CO PA" after 1840. He is buried in Ligonier Valley Cemetery in Westmoreland Co PA. Photo of his gravestone, with his son Joseph Jr. and Jr's wife
at
https://www.wikitree.com/photo/jpg/Elder-913
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http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Elder
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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2011 11:22 pm    Post subject: PAXTANG DNA group in Westmoreland Co PA Reply with quote

PAXTANG PA Genealogy
in
Egle, William Henry.
"Pennsylvania Genealogies"
Lane S. Hart., Harrisburg. 1886.
Reprint: Publisher : Baltimore : Genealogical Pub. Co., 1969.
Description : viii, 798 p. ; 23 cm

GOOGLE BOOKS - Full text online:
Original from Harvard University
Digitized Sep 19, 2006
http://books.google.com/books?id=d7_akH9VO_cC&dq=%22pennsylvania+genealogies+scotch+irish+and+german%22

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Pages 151-176
Chapter heading:
ELDER FAMILY.
I. ROBERT ELDER, b. about 1679 in Scotland, emigrated from Lough Neagh, county Antrim, Ireland, where he had previously settled, to America, about 1730, locating in Paxtang township, then Lancaster, now Dauphin county, Pa., on a tract of land near the first ridge of the Kittochtinny mountains, five miles north of Harrisburg. He died the 28th of July, 1746, in
Paxtang, and is buried in the old church grave-yard. ....
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 10:05 am    Post subject: Hugh Martin in Westmoreland Co PA Reply with quote

Here's an entry showing MARTIN locations in Westmoreland Co PA,
also connecting son James MARTIN to ELDER locations in Beaver Co PA:

WorldConnect by Kenneth Kohlmann
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:1883228&id=I4
ID: I4
Name: Hugh MARTIN
Sex: M
Birth: 09 JUN 1738 in Big Cove, Bedford, PA
Death: 07 JUN 1823
Burial: Pine Cem, Rochester Mills, Westmoreland



Father: John MARTIN b: Abt 1710 

Marriage 1 Jane KNOX b: Abt 1746
• Married: 1765
Children
1. William MARTIN b: Abt 1758 in Mount Pleasant, Westmoreland, PA
2. John MARTIN b: Abt 1764 in Mt Pleasant, Westmoreland, PA
3. Susan MARTIN
4. Hugh Knox MARTIN b: Abt 1770 in Mt Pleasant, Westmoreland, PA
5. Rebeckah "Rebecca" MARTIN b: Abt 1774
6. James MARTIN b: 09 JAN 1781 in Mt Pleasant, Westmoreland, PA
7. Jane MARTIN b: Abt 1800
8. Robert MARTIN
9. ----- MARTIN
*****

ID: I13
Name: James MARTIN
Sex: M
Birth: 09 JAN 1781 in Mt Pleasant, Westmoreland, PA
Death: 07 JAN 1862 in Beaver Cty, PA


Father: Hugh MARTIN b: 09 JUN 1738 in Big Cove, Bedford, PA

Mother: Jane KNOX b: Abt 1746


Marriage 1 Mary A. LEASURE b: 17 FEB 1784
• Married: 1800
Children
1. Daniel MARTIN b: 14 NOV 1802
2. Hugh MARTIN b: 23 FEB 1805
3. John MARTIN b: 13 FEB 1807
4. Elizabeth MARTIN b: 03 SEP 1809
5. James MARTIN b: 12 MAR 1812
6. Mary MARTIN
7. Jesse MARTIN b: 06 JUN 1814 in Darlington, Beaver, PA
8. Milo MARTIN b: 23 SEP 1816
9. George Leasure MARTIN b: 11 DEC 1818 in Beaver Cty, PA
10. Eliza J. MARTIN b: 02 FEB 1821
11. Robert MARTIN b: 10 APR 1823
12. Maria Ann H. MARTIN b: 18 MAY 1826
13. James Powers MARTIN b: 18 OCT 1828 in Darlington, Westmoreland, PA
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 10:37 am    Post subject: Hugh Martin in DAR and DAR Gravestones List Reply with quote

In DAR Patriot webpages:
http://services.dar.org/public/dar_research/search_adb/default.cfm

MARTIN, HUGH [Click for info: Spouse Jane KNOX, and DAR members]
Ancestor #: A074247
Service:  PENNSYLVANIA    Rank: CAPTAIN
Birth:  1738   
Death:  1823     MT PLEASANT TWP WESTMORELAND CO PENNSYLVANIA
Service Source:  PA ARCH, 6TH SER, VOL 2, P 295
Service Description: 
1) 5TH BATT, WESTMORELAND CO
2) LCOL THEOPHILUS PHILLIPS
*****
In
Abstracts of DAR Gravesites, vol. 3 Westmoreland Co PA
at
http://www.easternusresearch.com/easternusresearch/cemet/dargraves.html

MARTIN, Hugh
Pine Cemetery, Rochester Mills,
Westmoreland Co PA - 58 (Located in year 1958)

"This collection of abstracts of grave sites contains information originally published in the Senate documents of the National Society, Daughters of the American Revolution, as well as the Society magazine..."
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 8:50 pm    Post subject: Hugh MARTIN in 5th Battalion, County Westmoreland PA Reply with quote

Hi Steve,
While I was looking for Pennsylvania Archives documents to send to DAR
with my application for membership (Approved #833222), for Rev War soldier,
"Robert ELDER d. 1807 Franklin Co PA," I began paying a full subscription to
download scanned PA ARCHIVES documents posted on PA government webpages.

So today I downloaded the Rev. War page which lists "Hugh MARTIN" as Captain in 5th Battalion, County Westmoreland, referenced by the DAR,
in "PA ARCHIVES, 6th Series, Vol. 2, Page 295,"
see document re-posted:
at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nancyelder/pa/MartinHughPA6SerV2P295.jpg
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 9:24 pm    Post subject: Oops, "Rochester Mills" is in Indiana County PA Reply with quote

Now I just realized that Rochester Mills is in Indiana County PA,
and Plum Creek is in Armstrong Co PA.

Looking in Indiana County for any Cemetery starting with PINE,
I found PINE GROVE CEMETERY in Rochester Mills. No MARTIN surname
listed, but did find ELDER. These are from my "FRANKLIN CO PA" group.
see:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gsr&GSiman=1&GScid=684230&GSfn=&GSln=elder

Also: ELDER Ancestry Family Tree by "Phafera2" - traced back to my Robert ELDER (his dates slightly wrong, but I see I have posted Robert's Will
with his dates corrected).
at
http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/369252/person/-2089914442

Cemetery:
Elder, Gladys Larue Brilhart 44960441
b. Feb. 11, 1918 d. Dec. 30, 1941 Pine Grove Cemetery
Rochester Mills
Indiana County
Pennsylvania, USA

Elder, Leonard Wayne 44960243 Pine Grove Cemetery
b. Mar. 18, 1918 d. Sep. 18, 2004

And I have started looking in Findagrave webpages for
all "Mt. Pleasant Cemeteries, in Westmoreland Co PA"
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 10:49 pm    Post subject: John ELDER names near Mt. Pleasant, Westmoreland Co PA Reply with quote

From my files:
Early JOHN ELDER names are found near Mt. Pleasant ( Post Office):
I have sent a request for information about his origins to the local DAR society in Mt. Pleasant.
Mt. Pleasant DAR online info has a surname list, just says ELDER (click E), and MARTIN (click M).
at
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pabtcdar/surnames_e.html
Address:
Braddock Trail Chapter, NSDAR
200 South Church Street
Mount Pleasant, PA 15666

1820
Name: John Elder
Township: East Huntingdon
County: Westmoreland
State: Pennsylvania
Enumeration Date: August 7, 1820
Free White Males - Under 10: 1
Free White Males - 26 thru 44: 1
Free White Females - Under 10: 2
Free White Females - 26 thru 44: 1
Number of Persons - Engaged in Manufactures: 1
Free White Persons - Under 16: 3
Free White Persons - Over 25: 2
Total Free White Persons: 5
Total All Persons - White, Slaves, Colored, Other: 5
Source Citation: 1820 U S
Census: East Huntingdon, Westmoreland, Pennsylvania,
Page: 110; NARA Roll: M33_112; Image: 120.
***
also 1830-1850
and
1860
Name: John Elder
Age in 1860: 71
Birth Year: abt 1789
Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Home in 1860: East Huntingdon, Westmoreland, Pennsylvania
Gender: Male
Post Office: Mount Pleasant
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Maria Elder 19
John Elder 28
John Elder 71
Matilda Elder 23
Sarah A Elder 21
Source Citation: Year: 1860;
Census Place: East Huntingdon, Westmoreland, Pennsylvania;
Roll: M653_1196; Page: 714; Image: 81; Family History Library Film: 805196.
****

This Perry ELDER is a known relative of a different line of ELDER - found
in early Maryland. I named this line "J2" - we have 2 DNA members.
An ELDER Reunion for this "J2" family was held in Scottdale, Westmoreland Co PA, in 1923, at home of Mrs. Perry ELDER.
Scottdale is near Mt. Pleasant. In 1900 census they were in White,
a few miles away. In 1910 they were in Redstone, Fayette Co PA (29 mi).

1900
Name: Jessie Elder
Home in 1900: White, Westmoreland, Pennsylvania
Age: 17
Birth Date: Apr 1882
Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relationship to head-of-house: Daughter
Father's Name: Perry Elder
Father's Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Mother's Name: Letha Elder
Mother's Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Marital Status: Single
Household Members:
Name Age
Perry Elder 53
Letha Elder 48 (Orpha)
Cleavenld Elder 15
Mary Elder 18
Jessie Elder 17
Joseph Elder 13
Ethel Elder 12
Paul Elder 2
Source Citation: Year: 1900;
Census Place: White, Westmoreland, Pennsylvania;
Roll: T623_1497; Page: 2A; Enumeration District: 97.
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2011 12:34 am    Post subject: Alfred Reply with quote

Hi Steve,
Have you seen this DAR entry?
I just remembered to click on the Pedigree icon in the DAR patriot database.
Discovered one of the ELDER names in Hugh MARTIN's Descendant Members List:
Louise Elder Guenzler, Member #498653, also lists ALFRED O ELDER.
See:
http://services.dar.org/public/dar_research/search_descendants/?action=list&MyPrimary_Seqn=474495&MyLineageCount=1

Member: Louise Elder Guenzler Nat'l #: 498653 Ancestor #: A074247

1. William L Elder born on 21 - Jun - 1874 at Hamilton IL
died at Freeport IL on 27 - Feb - 1961 and his ( 2nd ) wife
Lyde R Whitehill born on 20 - Dec - 1886 at Mt Pleasant PA
died at _______________ on - - married on 25 - Jun - 1907

2.The Said William L Elder was the child of
Alfred O Elder born on 1 - May - 1846 at Westmoreland Co PA
died at Chicago IL on 10 - Apr - 1909 and his ( 1st ) wife
Tillie Byers born on 9 - Feb - 1852 at Westmoreland Co PA
died at Chicago IL on 4 - Mar - 1932 married on 5 - Apr - 1870

3. The Said Alfred O Elder was the child of
James Elder born on 15 - Mar - 1815 at Mt Pleasant PA
died at Hamilton IL on 8 - Aug - 1894 and his ( 1st ) wife
Eliza Jane Martin born on 2 - Feb - 1821 at Beaver Co PA
died at Hamilton IL on 2 - Jan - 1896 married on 16 - May - 1839

4. The Said Eliza Jane Martin was the child of
James Martin born on 9 - Jan - 1781 at Westmoreland Co PA
died at Beaver Co PA on 7 - Jan - 1862 and his ( 1st ) wife
Mary Leasure born on 17 - Feb - 1784 at PA
died at Beaver Co PA on 27 - Dec - 1874 married on - - 1800

5. The Said James Martin was the child of
Hugh Martin born on - - 1738 at Westmoreland Co PA
died at Mt Pleasant Twp Westmoreland Co PA on - - 1823 and his ( 1st ) wife
Jane Knox born on - - 1748 at Westmoreland Co PA
died at Westmoreland Co PA on - - 1806 married on - - 1767
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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2011 4:19 pm    Post subject: James Elder 15 march 1815 Reply with quote

Thanks for everything, really appreciate all the information. Got the DNA kit and already mailed it back on Fri May 13, hope its good luck for me ?
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